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Post by lollipopfop on Feb 6, 2010 16:51:22 GMT
First. Why do the Fury and the Elders not simply do their own thing? The Fury seems like they are intent on living a natural vampire existence, so what the Hell do they care if the Elders don't? First this show tells us "vampires do not work in groups". Then they tell us that vampires have chosen two sides and do nothing but work together? HUH!? Second of all, what makes these particular vampires young? they are not elders, but so what? Neither was Bridgitt, not Merril's maker. Just because they were sired at a young age doesn't make them young. Thats just silly. We are told that they are of all different ages. Essie is in fact older then Merrill's maker, who for some reason gets treated as an adult. Yet the older Essie is treated like a child? What Gives?
The biggest problem is how the vampires respond to the "experiment". The experiment doesn't teach them anything useful, that much is clear. They aren't always going to have convinient blood bags lying around outside the school so they must hunt. How are they going to survive outside that d**n boring school? It makes no sense. But the worst part of it is that they obey Murdoch like dogs. He growls they whimper? What kind of vampire, or even man, would do that? The only people that obey others are children and soldiers. Even soldiers have been known to disobey orders when they disagreed with them, so that leaves children. Do you really think a hundred year old person will obey another? Be treated like an incompetent idiot? Only a teenager allows themselves to be treated like that because they have no self esteem. Most adults would say screw it pretty quick, and no weird nonsense about survival would convince them. Besides, how can this experiment really save thousands? And if the success of the experiment would save countless others, why would Vikil or whatever keep saying he wants it terminated at every little hitch? If I was one of those poor saps, Id go out and grab dinner on the hoof, and hypnotize a cute boy or two to serve me. Why waste a perfectly good unlife?
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Post by Melissa Kane on Feb 12, 2010 0:26:53 GMT
First. Why do the Fury and the Elders not simply do their own thing? The Fury seems like they are intent on living a natural vampire existence, so what the Hell do they care if the Elders don't? Okay, gonna have to break down your enquiry into pieces so bear with me here. The opening credits every week tell us of the great battle during The Great Eclipse between the Fury and the Elders. And I suspect the very title gives away the Fury's outlook. They are particularly violent vampires, full of rage, anger, and fury, hence the name, and presumably as such love a good scrap. They cannot stand that the Elders are enlightened enough to attempt to live a more settled and peaceful existence. First this show tells us "vampires do not work in groups". Then they tell us that vampires have chosen two sides and do nothing but work together? HUH!? That could be considered a plot flaw, I grant you, but you tend to find that in normal cases, in almost every mythology I've researched, vampires are opportunists and if they can see a benefit in having to work together on order to get what they want, then they will. The vampires here are not stupid, they know that wantonly eradicating humanity will bring them to the attention of more than just the BPDA. And the potential Fury kind of vampires (I theorise that Bridget and Patty are potential Fury vamps, maybe once they attain a certain age, I guess) in particular have a hatred of the more in control kinds of vamps who might ultimately become Elders. With that in mind, I don't think its a matter of them forming groups as such more than recognising that they may need to know where to go to when they get into trouble, as will inevitably happen. Second of all, what makes these particular vampires young? they are not elders, but so what? Neither was Bridgitt, not Merril's maker. Just because they were sired at a young age doesn't make them young. Thats just silly. We are told that they are of all different ages. Essie is in fact older then Merrill's maker, who for some reason gets treated as an adult. Yet the older Essie is treated like a child? What Gives? Now here's a thing they mention at one point quite early on in the series - the five Night School students are young by vampire standards BUT they were selected because they had the greatest potential to respond to the Experiment. Which, to my mind, means they are open enough to new ideas and new ways of thinking that the Elders might be able to train them to blend in, to perhaps hide among humanity. I think the situation between Fury and Elder vampires is very one sided. It seems to me from various things that have been said that the Fury have gained the upper hand since the war broke out and this is an attempt to protect the newer and more open-minded vampires. Actually, thinking about it, perhaps the Elders are afraid that these open-minded vampires could be tempted to join the Fury, not as a group but to start trending toward their ways. The biggest problem is how the vampires respond to the "experiment". The experiment doesn't teach them anything useful, that much is clear. They aren't always going to have convinient blood bags lying around outside the school so they must hunt. How are they going to survive outside that d**n boring school? It makes no sense. Well, it seems that the blood bags may be treated - Murdoch says something about his source needing to finish working on them if I remember rightly during one episode - perhaps with something to progressively wean them off blood and onto a more human-like diet. Its shown that they can eat proper food when Essie and Marty are in the bar. See, if the bloodbag's weren't treated somehow, how come they had the reaction to a bad batch without the necessary ingredients? If you think on those lines, it does make a kind of sense. Not quite sure of what the Elders want them to do once weaned off blood but there you go. But the worst part of it is that they obey Murdoch like dogs. He growls they whimper? What kind of vampire, or even man, would do that? The only people that obey others are children and soldiers. Even soldiers have been known to disobey orders when they disagreed with them, so that leaves children. Do you really think a hundred year old person will obey another? Be treated like an incompetent idiot? Only a teenager allows themselves to be treated like that because they have no self esteem. Most adults would say screw it pretty quick, and no weird nonsense about survival would convince them. Well, an entire episode is devoted to the question of who and what Murdoch actually is. Its alluded to in several episodes that he isn't wholly human, Elders would not entrust their Experimental vampires to a mere human, but since he can walk around in daylight, he's definitely not a vampire either. Maybe a half breed?Maybe something entirely different. There's a whole discussion on here just on that topic too. And as for the vampire themselves, again I come back to the selection process mentioned earlier. The Elders chose these five vampires for the Experiment which tells me Vackal and the other Elders of the Convocation recognised that these were adaptable vampires, ones who could be taught. Maybe there's something about Murdoch that keeps them in line and makes them obey him. Or perhaps there's something else, something in their own natures which makes them susceptible and, I hesitate to say gullible but perhaps, co-operative? Besides, how can this experiment really save thousands? And if the success of the experiment would save countless others, why would Vikil or whatever keep saying he wants it terminated at every little hitch? If I was one of those poor saps, Id go out and grab dinner on the hoof, and hypnotize a cute boy or two to serve me. Why waste a perfectly good unlife? The ultimate aim of the Experiment - perhaps its a form of cure for vampirism? Maybe thats why the Fury species of vampires fear the experiment and want it terminated? As for grabbing dinner, Marty tried exactly that in the second episode when he headed in ready to subvert the entire experiment before it began. There were near misses.. and even nearer misses when it came to Dillan being attacked by Karl near the end of the series. In closing I guess its an individual thing as to whether they are wasting their unlives more as wanton and heartless predators or fairly civilised beings. I'm in agreement with your position in another thread that self-pitying, "oh woe is me" vampires are boring and have been done to death - pardon the pun - but they can also be fun, well rounded creatures within their mythologies and based on their respective personalities. Hell, Essie will always be the sassy, haughty and entertaining Bon Viveur, Marty will always have his manic, smart-mouthed ways, Merrill has her gentle but wise and bookish ways, Karl has his lovely nature though he now has tasted the dark and well, okay, granted Drew is the rather self pitying, morose kind of vampire but hey, four out of five ain't bad. Those are all my observations and theories based on what we've seen and heard in the series - granted that there are some gaping holes in the plot which are possibly oversights in the writing or perhaps as a result of the editting procedure - but if you want clearer answers it might be worth your while to go blogging with Mark Shekter on Grotchop's site. He might be able to more satisfyingly answer your queries and questions.  'Lissa. |
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Post by Scanjet on Feb 18, 2010 0:46:16 GMT
Oh Lissa your a life saver, I could not have been bothered doing all that, although seemingly its the exact same post as this person posted the other day but re-worded... the point? I don't know!
Scanjet
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Post by Melissa Kane on Feb 27, 2010 12:38:22 GMT
No problem, I have time on my hands there hunny. Feel free to add anything I missed out though - I've forgotten a few details I'm certain. There's been no response to either reply, mind you. ^^ Lissa. |
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Post by edtrader on Apr 16, 2010 6:00:23 GMT
Instead of spending a great deal of thought of how the vampires came to be involved in this expirament I believe the main part of the show is how the vampires deal with the situation.
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Post by Scanjet on Nov 2, 2010 0:40:36 GMT
I couldn't agree more! Not sure why this person even watches the show tbh but ho-hum! LOL
Scanjet
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'Lissa. 
