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Post by timeladyshayde on Apr 1, 2006 23:01:31 GMT
Well it was inevitable really, we've already starting discussing Drew and Marty's ages on other threads so I thought we should have one to discuss the other vamps as well. If you haven't seen my arguments for Marty and Drew, they are as follows (NB spoilers dead ahead):
"Initially we are led to believe that Drew was turned sometime in the 1950's, hence the egg cream comment in episode 7, and the flashback in episode 13 'The Awakening' which appears to have happened in the 50's (I'm basing that on the clothing). Suddenly in episode 19 'The Portrait' we find out that Drew was in fact a artist in the Victorian period and that his real name is Edward Vincente (pronounced Vin-CHEN-tay, which seems to imply that he's Italian). It's pretty safe to say therefore that he is somewhere between 180 and 118 years old, based on the fact that Victoria reigned from 1837 to 1901 and we're assuming that he was turned in his late teens. Personally I'm going for somewhere in the middle and taking him as about 150 as I'm tend to think he is older than Marty who must himself be at least 101."
"in the speech he [Marty] gives Merrill about his first night as a vampire, he talks about being by the canal in Manchester, which immediately makes me think that he means the Manchester in Britain, as it is well known for it's busy canals due to the large amount of industry that went on there during the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries. Assuming that Marty was around 18 years old when he was turned, and we know he was a vampire during WW1, he must have been born in 1900 at the very latest, so we can safely assume that he is at least 101 years old in 2001."
Karl really isn't worth bothering about as we know when he died, but I'll have a think about the girls and get my ideas posted ASAP. So there you have it. Question? Comments?
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Post by maidlola on Apr 2, 2006 16:49:45 GMT
Hey I always thought Essie was the oldest, not sure why with the way she is and the comments to Marty in that spell ep with "it's taken a century to find you or over a century" hmm then either Dew or marty, then Merril and Karl, wel l i got Karl right . Drew seems to be the oldest though with your points you have made , and the episode "The Awakening" with his Danny from Grease inspired clothing hee, i haven't seen the eps were it's revealed he was a victorian painter, how cool, love to see that ep. I'm guessing Marty is over 100 years old he seems to have been the block a few times and knows what he's doing when he kills that guy in the flashback ep in France. I realy want to know more about Merril (not that we'll find out LOL), i just want to know how she ended up with Patsy and what made Merril catch Patsy's eye, i think that Merril may be about 40 - 60 years old, maybe younger since in that flashback ep to there most regrettable attack wasn't that girl Merril's little sister, was it?? sure it was, I blab on far too much LOL
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Post by Melissa Kane on Apr 3, 2006 0:54:10 GMT
Ahh, blab away, Maidlola! Hehe! Everyone's made such good points, but I have add my ten pences' worth anyway! Okay, Essie analysis time! *lol* Just 'cause she's cool! From the series, we have a couple of telling bits of evidence. I went through a phase of learning about Russian history, just for fun (How Malcolm-like is that?! ) and I also tried learning the language too, but I only remember a few words now! *lol* Ahh, but I digress! Okay, on with the show! 1) Simply, like Maidlola and others have said, Essie tells Marty in "Odd Man Out" that she's waited a century for the right one to come along. And she does say she's twice Murdoch's age in "Breaking Up". Murdoch is possibly in his fifties, so it would be about right. 2) Essie says many times that she's of a royal bloodline and in "The Summoning" reveals that she was made by her Uncle Dimitri. Since both the names Dimitiri and Rachimova sound Russian in origin, it would follow that they would belong somewhere in the largest royal household of Russia, namely that of Tsar Nicholas the second. He was a Romanov and of the family line which was tragically wiped out by the Bolsheviks in the Russian Revolution of 1917. If we assume that she was part of a lesser, but no less privileged, branch of the Romanov family, then we can date her making to pre-1917, before the dissolution of the royal family in Russia and an end to the luxury to which she was born. 3) Essie also mentions having known Grigori Rasputin, describing him as a "dirty, smelly little man" or something to that effect - I don't remember which episode, though. I don't think she says whether he was a vampire or a man at the time. But is does place her in Russia, again, and fits the Romanov timeline. Anyway, Rasputin was born 1869 and died in 1916 so if she knew him, it was probably between those dates. Unless 1916 was when he was made into a vampire? So Essie would be roughly *get out her calculator* ......100-112 years old in 2001? How does that sound to you? Kinda specific dates there, huh? *lol* ;D 'Lissa.
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Post by timeladyshayde on Apr 3, 2006 19:14:36 GMT
Nicely researched Melissa, saved me from having to go through all of that myself. I can probably narrow it down a bit more as the clothes Essie wears in her flashback (where she had only just been turned) were in fashion only between about 1915 to 1920. As we know it was before the Russian royal family's murder in 1917, and we are assuming that like the others she was turned in her late teens, she can assume that she is between 104 and 101 years old in 2001.
Right then, on to Merrill?
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Post by maidlola on Apr 5, 2006 16:49:50 GMT
Great post Melissa So Esse is about we believe Between 100-110 something like that. Merril seems like she's the second youngest, she says she has never gotten used to drinking blood in one ep, 30 - 40 years old maybe?? maybe a bit older.
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Post by Scanjet on Apr 5, 2006 19:18:20 GMT
Merrills school clothes could of been anything from the 1950's onwards when you think about it, some schools still have that type of thing today so would assume after Karl she is the youngest like you said maidlola. Other than that what else can be use to find out her age?
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Post by Melissa Kane on Apr 6, 2006 14:29:35 GMT
Thanks guys! ;D Hmm, Merrill Young.....I'd have to agree with you, that she's the second youngest of the group. She seems to be like Karl in that she still retains some of her human "gentleness" - by that I mean that neither she nor Karl seem as comfortable with or as capable of brutality as Essie, Drew and Marty. Which would follow if she was the lure by which her Maker hunted - Merriill wouldn't have had to kill on her own as much as the older vampires had. I mean, did you see the sickened look on her face at Marty's apparent glee at killing during "The Summoning"? And how she tries to deny that she had killed the little girl during her segment of the same episode. Okay, there's some supposition required here so bear with me, k? Hehe! Merrill's doppelganger looked as if she was into the mid-eighties Goth scene (please correct me if I'm wrong on that - its been a while since I saw that episode! *lol*) and I got the impression that the "bad" Merrill was the personification of her vampirehood. An image of Merrill as she was when first made, evil and not in control of her cravings, if you will. So maybe she could have been made more recently than fifty years ago? Closer to fifteen or twenty years made? But, Merrill gives the impression that she was a bookish young lady in life as well as death, though, so maybe the Goth look is to throw us off the scent. *smiles broadly* Feral Merrill's a mystery for the investigating, isnt she? I have the episodes on video tape (But no way of copying them for everyone to enjoy just yet. I'm sorry. But I'll let you know if I can get my system up and running again.). I'll go through them to see if there's more evidence for any other theories. 'Lissa.
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Post by timeladyshayde on Apr 6, 2006 16:55:45 GMT
In episode 6, 'That's Why the Lady is a Vamp', Patsy LaRue and Merrill are talking and Patsy tells Merrill that they must catch up on the last fifty years. This implies that Merrill ran away 50 years ago. If we assume that she was in her late teens when she was turned and was with Patsy for at least a few years, Merrill can't be less than 70 years old.
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Post by Melissa Kane on Apr 8, 2006 19:05:45 GMT
Ooh! I guess I missed a huge clue there! Yipes! I'm losing my edge! *lol* Heh! Sorry everyone! Rethink time! Between fifty and Seventy years....Hehe! *scampers off to rewatch some episodes* 'Lissa
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Post by maidlola on Apr 11, 2006 11:35:28 GMT
50 and 60 years would be good, i've seen that ep, and never taken notice of that line of we must catch up on the last 50 years..good spotting
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Post by Melissa Kane on May 16, 2006 13:19:08 GMT
I had to backtrack a moment, all the way to our conversation about Drew's timeline 'cause this has bugged me for a while.
In "Dad's and Monsters", where Sherry meets up with her father and Shakari sends a Fury drone to check out Mansbridge, Murdoch is assessing Drew and mentions that his school records showed he was a slacker who fell in with the wrong crowd.
I'm not a scholar of the Victorian School system so I could be wrong but would they have kept detailed school records like that in the late 1800's/early 1900's? Unless it were a private school....that could be an explaination, I suppose. Any thoughts on this?
'Lissa
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Post by timeladyshayde on May 16, 2006 17:17:59 GMT
Again I reckon it's just the writing team not talking to one another, but you could get round it by saying he faked the school records. We can assume he has a dark past he is trying to hide from.
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Post by Melissa Kane on May 18, 2006 19:00:07 GMT
Heh! True, true. You're ever practical, hunny! But Drew probably does have dark secrets he wants to hide from. Saying that, I suppose if you live long enough, there will be things you've done that you regret so he won't be the only one... 'Lissa.
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Post by minpetella on Feb 25, 2007 23:15:52 GMT
Really good question. And everything you guys have said is good speculations. Here's what I think.
Essie is from at least the 1700 making her at least 300 years old.
Drew He's Edward Vincenti from the 1800, He's Victiorian a victorian Painter.
Marty is atleast from WWI I would think. so 1900.
Merrill looks to be from early 20th century, just becuase she looks to be wearing clothes from then.
And of course Karl is only like a year old from being vampired. So the year 1999
That's kinda what I think anyways.
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Post by Scanjet on Feb 25, 2007 23:26:45 GMT
But doesn't Essie say to Murdoch "I am older then you by 50 years" so that makes me think she is about 100-120 years old.
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